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S.C. Could be Obamacare Winner

Changes could reduce uninsured by more than half; Gov. Haley won't back changes.

Residents of Red States, where leaders appear most opposed to President Obama's sweeping healthcare overhaul, could stand to gain the most if the act is allowed to be fully implemented, according to one analysis.

South Carolina ranks No. 4 on the list with a high percentage of uninsured residents who could qualify for Medicaid under Obamacare's new rules that open Medicaid to individuals and families that make up to 133 percent of the poverty line, according to the Aol Daily Finance story.

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has already vowed to reject the Medicaid expansion, Daily Finance reports. Her state has one of the highest percentages of uninsured citizens: 19.9 percent of South Carolinians under age 65 don't have insurance. 12.7 percent of children under 18 are also uninsured. Under the proposed new Medicare rules, the percentage of [low-income] people without health insurance would drop by 56.4 percent.

The problem, according to the governors, is that states pay 43 percent of Medicaid's tab. A massive expansion of the program could bankrupt states, governors say. Daily Finance reports, however, that the federal government has promised to fully fund the increases until 2020 and after that the feds will still pay 90 percent of the expanded Medicaid rolls.

Other states that stand to gain the most from the Medicaid changes include Kentucky, Mississippi and West Virginia. See the whole list, including the states that stand to gain the least, on Aol Daily Finance.

Candace July 15, 2012 at 11:13 pm
http://medfordcitysearch.com/obamacare-facts-elderly-and-middle-class-must-know/
Tonto July 15, 2012 at 11:25 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/29/Seven-new-taxes
stanley seigler July 16, 2012 at 12:12 am
@Tom Hanton: '...And it [ACA] does cut $500 Billion out of Medicare...'
FYI http://ourfuture.org/healthcare/healthreformfactcheck#lie7 [CLIP] The cuts in care to pay for this bill come directly from seniors, about 500 billion dollars. See also here . TRUTH: As a factsheet from the Ways and Means Committee explains, "By eliminating wasteful overpayments to private plans under Medicare, reforming how doctors are reimbursed, and creating new incentives for coordinated, high quality care we will extend Trust Fund solvency and improve Medicare for generations to come." The figure of $500 billion represents savings - not cuts. TRUTH: The House bill strengthens Medicare and Medicaid by “reallocating U.S. taxpayer dollars already being spent on health care to achieving more efficiency, higher quality, and broader coverage.” FOR TRUTH ABOUT 17 MO LIES GOTO LINK http://ourfuture.org/healthcare/healthreformfactcheck#lie7 @Erik Fender: '...Nobody read George Orwell?' bet most all have read 1984 and recognize it's newspeak (doublespeak) in T-GOP rhetoric...ie/eg; 'What is really important in the world of [GOP] doublespeak is the ability to lie, whether knowingly or unconsciously, and to get away with it; and the ability to use lies and choose and shape facts selectively, blocking out those that don’t fit an agenda or program.'
reg July 16, 2012 at 01:02 am
toto, with all those breitbart postings you litter over here, you must live a very lonely life...
reg July 16, 2012 at 01:04 am
wow. great. source. must. be. factual. of. course. course. course. it.it it. is.
stanley seigler July 16, 2012 at 03:54 am
@Candace
FACT (Medford City Search) v TRUTH (house ways and means committee) Fact: Medicare will be defunded by $500 billion to help offset the cost of providing healthcare coverage to 30 million additionally insured individuals... http://medfordcitysearch.com/obamacare-facts-elderly-and-middle-class-must-know/ TRUTH: As a factsheet from the Ways and Means Committee explains, "By eliminating wasteful overpayments to private plans under Medicare, reforming how doctors are reimbursed, and creating new incentives for coordinated, high quality care we will extend Trust Fund solvency and improve Medicare for generations to come." The figure of $500 billion represents savings - not cuts. http://ourfuture.org/healthcare/healthreformfactcheck#lie7 so who you gonna believe...guess it depends on the source, the intent, your party's ideology and one's ability to put politics aside. that said: "Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable" (Bertrand Russell)
Tonto July 16, 2012 at 04:58 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6I0zsyIw0&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQUyS9H6ioI&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7equ_xy5_kg
Wounded Warrior July 16, 2012 at 05:37 pm
Well said
Wounded Warrior July 16, 2012 at 05:41 pm
Forced Healthcare.
Good thing I am young and can wait 6 months if I ever need an MRI.
Wounded Warrior July 16, 2012 at 05:49 pm
Well said DeanDr
its a tax
reg July 16, 2012 at 05:51 pm
Okay, so now you're posting Mitt Romney ads (did you know that Truth in Advertising laws are excluded from political ads), and a cheesy spoof by Glen Beck, of all people. Here's the fact-check take on those same ads, toto - you keep falling for falsehoods, dontya? http://factcheck.org/2012/06/romneys-solar-flareout/
Candace July 16, 2012 at 06:26 pm
That's it. In Canada, it's not uncommon to wait months to get diagnostics or surgery or get that necessary referral to see a specialist. People in U.S. get impatient if they have to wait 2 weeks.
Rusty Inman July 16, 2012 at 07:24 pm
Once again, Candace, what you say is not true. I understand that you hear this kind of stuff non-stop from the GOP/Tea Party/Christian Right/Anti-ACA types, but it simply isn't true---they are lying to you and to the American people. And, throughout this thread, your assertion that it is true has been debunked. Continuing to disseminate what you know to be bad information is not helpful to anyone and discredits the rest of what you might have to say.
Furthermore, you interpolate your false picture of the Canadian health-care system into a false picture what life will be like with the ACA. Where do you get that? Document it. Source it. Give us cites or give us your reasoning as to why this will be a result of the ACA being implemented.
Robert Kelly July 16, 2012 at 07:52 pm
Candace,
I realize it has been a few years since I lived in Canada, but I still have several relatives there. You are horribly misinformed and I do not know where you come up with this stuff you spread. By the way, the ACA in the USA will use private insurers like most insured people have been doing all along; it is not a government controlled, government-payer system like Canada. So EVEN IF you were correct about Canadian problems, it would not be comparable. If the ACA had been a single-payer system (Medicare) then there would be a basis for comparison. However, you are wrong in your assertions, and in fact Medicare seems to be a pretty good system. I am not eligible yet, but my mother always said she thought it was great, had no problem getting medical care, had no problem getting into the rehab facility of her choice after her heart attack, and had 7 more years of excellent care after that, including cataract surgery on both eyes which totally restored her vision to excellent condition. Anecdotal evidence I know, but from what I have seen, the Canadian system works just fine, and Medicare does as well. ACA of course is based upon the more common (in the USA) system of private insurers.
stanley seigler July 16, 2012 at 08:00 pm
@Wounded Warrior: '...Forced Healthcare...I am young and can wait 6 months if I ever need an MRI.'
and dont get old unless you have a $zillion and are in perfect health...forced better than none...and you are toooo cute tho comments irrelevant to the issue which is: the right to quality health care for all... opine: BO-care (ACA) a step in the right direction (to universal/single payer/socialized healthcare/ins)...a step to removing free market, insurance companies and administrative bean counters from the healthcare equation. tho medicare is woefully lacking...it's better than most private for profit/greed health insurance/care; that alway look for a 'gotcha' to deny procedure/payment...
Robert Kelly July 16, 2012 at 08:07 pm
Thank you, Kathleen. I like to think I am likable. You are pretty nice as well.
JoSCh July 16, 2012 at 08:16 pm
My insurance in the last month denied me an MRI on my neck but allowed for one on my lower back based on the opinion of a radiologist employed by the insurance company. My doctor said he'd like to fight them about it but the 6 weeks of PT required to treat the issue or find it untreatable by PT is less time than the fight would take. So I'll pay the $35 copay each time for the PT to likely find that my doctor was right and that the PT did not resolve my situation. Yeah, this model where a third party that has NOTHING to do with healthcare and everything to do with making a profit is way better.
And as has been pointed out many times on this thread, the long wait time is fallacy. Its from a widely reported opinion poll of Canadians and not data. Opinion polls will tell you that the current president is a Muslim Kenyan and that his predecessor is an idiot that graduated from Yale and completed his MBA at Harvard. Opinion polls are near enough worthless.
reg July 16, 2012 at 08:42 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/opinion/keller-five-obamacare-myths.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Wounded Warrior July 16, 2012 at 08:50 pm
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/poll-voters-call-health-care-mandate-a-tax/1
Yep. Still a tax.
JoSCh July 16, 2012 at 09:02 pm
Because if there is one thing that is absolutely failsafe it's an opinion poll. A large percentage of GOP voters think that the current president is a Muslim Kenyan. A large percentage of all voters think his predecessor who graduated from Yale and Harvard is an idiot.
Do you currently have health insurance? If so, then aren't you currently paying that "tax?" If it's a tax then it's simply enforcing an existin tax on people who've been dodging it.
reg July 16, 2012 at 09:05 pm
Why don't you just ask the Canadians, Candace? http://medicare.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nanos.pdf Only 8% are dissatisfied with their healthcare system. How many Americans are upset with their insurance before AHA? A MAJORITY. And more than any other country on the planet. The only Americans who aren't complaining? The ones receiving Medicare. (gasp! That's socialist!) http://women.webmd.com/news/20101117/survey-americans-unhappy-with-health-insurance As for your "not uncommon to wait months" - um, Americans have to wait to get many non-emergency tests, too. In fact, Americans typically have to wait 2 weeks to set the initial appointment.
Wounded Warrior July 16, 2012 at 09:09 pm
So your opinion of an opinion poll is that is factually an opinion? Are these people not the voice of America?
Perhaps in my next life I will be as informed of others.
Tonto July 17, 2012 at 02:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo&feature=fvwrel
Tonto July 17, 2012 at 02:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxoVqMhuzTo
stanley seigler July 17, 2012 at 03:14 am
@Wounded Warrior: Yep. Still a tax
tax, fee, mandate, penalty, etcetc... whatever called, it reduces the disposable income of only those who choose to pay the tax/penalty vice purchasing healthcare insurance. the "it's a tax" line is a GOP distraction from the fact that the supreme court ruled in favor of BO-care. anyone know/wonder why a person would choose to pay a tax/penalty vice purchasing healthcare insurance??...perhaps/cause they get free medical at ER . would like to get all the facts on the table...for the BO-haters...eg, what are the savings realized from insurances companies paying for ER room care vice medicare...and; how can one group say BO-ACA takes $500B from medicare (cost) and the other say it is a $500B saving...crazy world...stupid arguments...andand; there are examples of BO-care success (tends to confirm the savings argument)...eg, mitt-care in MA and socialized medicine in all developed countries...
stanley seigler July 17, 2012 at 04:04 am
@wounded: 'Are these people not the voice of America?'
well yes as moderated by the questions and the pollster's prejudices and intent... ditto polls the old statistics saw...'there are lies, damn lies and statistics (polls) re: Perhaps in my next life I will be as informed of others. [wounded] hope springs eternal...
reg July 17, 2012 at 05:14 am
you're using a video ad full of garbage that calls another video ad full of garbage....oh, the fun of political ads! (in this case, it's citing an opinion piece written by columnist who wrote books about Condoleeza Rice, and only attributing to it the publication to imply it as fact instead of opinion - it's also claiming "worst job loss...." - but job loss hit an all-time record under Bush - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/in-swing-states-a-storm-of-negative-ads/)
Wounded Warrior July 17, 2012 at 01:28 pm
I also believe in a recent gallop pole that majority of Americans do not wish to have government in their health care. But who cares. Force feed them and give no choice. (Castro)
I know another poll. But in your logic ,Hussein over Mitt is another illogical poll.
reg July 17, 2012 at 02:32 pm
You should read the full report of that same Gallup poll that says a majority of Americans don't like Obamacare, A third of them who say they don't like it? They don't like it because they say it doesn't do enough - they want a national health insurance program that doesn't include the private companies. And the rest of them who say they don't like it? They *do* like the guaranteed insurance - the auto inclusion of preventive care - the reduced rates - the refunds they get if the insurance company hasn't spent a minimum of it - the extended coverage - the elimination of lifetime ceilings on benefits ... they just don't like it collectively because it's referred to as "Obamacare."
JoSCh July 17, 2012 at 03:36 pm
It would be pretty difficult to be less informed...
You're implying that ANY poll at any time is "the voice of America" which is pretty stupid. I can find a poll that tells you just about anything. 10% of Americans believe they have seen UFO's, and 35% believe they exist having never seen any evidence. 30% of Americans believe bigfoot exists. What does that mean? Without having seen the poll questions and the pool, it doesn't mean anything. But you'll keep believing the ones you want to and dismissing the ones that don't agree with your worldview. Of that there is no doubt.

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Diana June 7, 2013 at 09:37 pm
I truly apologize Josch I shouldnt have let my reaction get to the point of exchanging insults. IRead More hope you will forgive my ungracious words and I acknowledge your right to voice your own opinions.
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Ok. Have a good weekend Diana.
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you too. ;)