"so I am not saying I am repulsed by sexual assault and rape"

Freudian slip or refreshing honesty from a regressive, you decide! Judging by your rush to demonize women I'm guessing the latter. Honestly, I love it when you guys show your true colors. Embrace it!

I need to know why they were out at 3 AM. Were they together on a date?
There is more to this story than what is reported here.

If you're going to quote me, please actually quote me. And it IS relevant.

The accused deserves due process, a fair trial, and appropriate punishment as warranted. Both of you, Ambassador and A, represent what is wrong with America today; you stripping the accused of his rights, and his attempt at justifying the crime.

Anybody accused of a crime is run through the system like a criminal. But you keep defending alleged rapists as if they're a persecuted class. Do you defend alleged carjackers, muggers, armed robbers or alleged speeders who get slapped around by the sheriff while in handcuffs with the same vigor?

That during your defense of the alleged rapist you try to pit this as a men vs. women issue is disgusting but not surprising, the national conversation regarding the GOP shows this almost daily. That you attempt to demonize and blame the alleged victim is subhuman.

Why would you ask that?

I asked because I wanted to know why you would ask that. I don't want to speak for you, but the only reason to ask that that I can think of is to somehow justify a 19 year old man sexually assaulting anyone, much less a 14 year old girl, because they were "asking for it" by "being in the wrong place" or even "giving consent" even though everybody knows a minor isn't legally capable of it. If that isn't it then by all means, let us know. Why is it pertinent why the girl was at the pool at 3 with boys, and apparently men? It doesn't change the allegation, does it?

And to be clear, I correct people who are wrong. Be right and I'll agree with you.

I'm sure you much prefer to talk to rocks and their human equivalent; nobody wants to be called out for being wrong all the time.

Actually some rocks have more intelligence than some people.. especially when it comes to explaining WHY a 14 year old Minor CHILD should be at home at 3 AM..
JoSCH, I can tell you have no children..

Why she was out at 3 AM doesn't change the fact that the person responsible for molesting her is the person responsible for molesting her.

I have 2 children, and son and a daughter. You're gaining on Ambassador on the being wrong count.

Still... If she was at home at 3AM she would still be safe. Do you think that if your kids were out on the streets at 3AM they would be safe ??
I don't believe you when you say you have kids. You just don't understand why we ask the question and assume immediately that we want to blame the girl. We don't .. if anything the parents should know where their babys are at 3 AM.

That the parents should know doesn't change that it's the rapists fault. You're shifting blame from the rapist to the parents, effectively justifying his actions. I can't believe a parent would support a rapist, therefore you must not be a parent. That or your kids are rapists?

It is so easy to say that if she wasn't out at 3 am that this wouldn't have happened but you can't turn back time. It makes me sick that people are blaming the parents. If they snuck out of the house that means the parents didnt know and yes even a "perfect parent" can sleep through a door opening and closing. Greymom, you said you found it hard to believe that the person standing up for the victim is a parent? I find it harder to believe that you are considering you have no compassion for what this family imust be going through. I pray that nothing like this happens to your family but if it does, I am pretty sure you will blame the criminal and not yourself!

The victim had never met this man before, it has been printed in other articles.

If what you say happened is the truth then it's unfortunate for some men that sometimes underage girls lie. It's also unfortunate that that he wasn't thinking and allegedly ended up being a statutory rapist. 14 year old girls, while potentially manipulative and conniving, aren't responsible. 19 year olds are. He should have checked her ID or abstained.

Right ?? LOL.

Let me start by saying you took the words right out of my mouth with that last statement. I have a 14-yr old that with makeup can certainly pull off a legal-aged look - scares the hell out of me. The 14-yr olds today are a lot more developed and can certainly pull off looking over the legal age of 18. Unfortunately, we will probably never know exactly what happened. I just feel there is a lot more to this story than they are printing. She made the conscious decision to sneak out and meet a man at 3 am, and if she led him to believe that she was over 18, then he is innocent of that aspect of it, but if he knew she was only 14, he deserves to go down.

So lets be clear here MtPMom, if a rapist says that his victim looked 18 and that she consented then it's ok as long as it occurs at some arbitrary time or at some arbitrary place? How do you define your rape ok zones and rape ok time periods?

Myself, I prefer that rape remains as regulated as it currently is, or even more so. I guess I'm a big gov't progressive like that.

Leaving the conversation is your greatest contribution you could make to the community at large. Thanks, I hope you enjoy ranting with your rock friends. Don't let them get the best of you!

HaHaHa... I'm with you !! No point in having a conversation with a rock LOL..
Some times you just have to go on to more important things. We'll get the truth about this soon and find out why this baby was out at 3 Am with a Boy...
Good night.

Why do you keep calling the girl a baby and the man a boy?

It doesn't matter why she was out, there is NO excuse for an adult man to have sexual relations with a minor. It's not the girls fault, not the parents fault, not societies fault or Obamas fault. The blame lies solely on the rapist. I'm not sure why you want to shift blame from him.

JoSCh...I did not say it was okay if a 14-yr merely looked 18. What I said was a 14-yr old could say they were 18, and look it. When you were 19, if someone told you they were 18, did you ID them? I seriously doubt it. That was one point I was making. The other point was that the 14 yr old did make a conscious decision to sneak out and meet this man; whatever time it would have been. And again...it appears there is more to this story than is being printed. Yes, I could be way off, but I could also be dead on right. I was 14 once, and I know the stupid things I did. The situation is truly messed up, but it takes two. If this guy did in fact know she was a child, then yes, he should fry.

A good boy? If he was a ghood boy he would not have done this to a 14 year old little girl! I am sure he is saying that she lied about her age but that doesnt mean that it is true. It makes me sick that they let him back on the streets. I hope that when this goes to court that he is put away for a LONG time!!!