Jesse Jackson 'Astonished' by Haley's Voter ID Views
Civil rights leader says Nikki Haley is trampling on Voting Rights Act.
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CHARLOTTE — S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley wouldn't be a voter, much less governor, if it wasn't for the Voting Rights Act now jeopardized by new requirements to show picture ID when casting a ballot.
That's the view of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who spoke Monday at a handful of impromptu events at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte.
"I'm astonished Nikki Haley would take such a strong position against easy access to voting when she is a primary beneficiary of the Voting Rights Act,' Jackson told Patch.
The state's first female governor, Haley's parents are Indian immigrants. She was reared as a Sikh, though she converted to Christianity as an adult.
"She's a part of the wave of beneficiaries of the Voting Rights Act," Jackson said after speaking the Massachusetts delegation. "She's a person of color. She couldn't vote if I couldn't vote."
Jackson's hammering on the voter ID issue mirrored similar public comments from a handful of high-profile Democrats. They worry new ID requirements in a handful of states will make it harder for minorities to vote in November.
"The voter ID is the new Civil War battle all over the of nation," Jackson said.
Republicans say the laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud. Haley has said repeatedly that if consumers need IDs to buy certain cough medicine and to fly in an airplane, it's reasonable to require an ID to vote.
Democrats disagree and suggest Republicans have broached the issue in a widespread attempt to keep a significant portion of the Democrat's base — poor and minority voters — from voting to re-elect President Obama.
"These laws were designed to prevent certain groups of voters from participating," said Democratic National Committee Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla.
"I sat on the Judiciary Committee for five years during the Bush Administration and the Bush Justice Department could never find any examples of fraud."
Republicans insist the current voting system is ripe for fraud, though widespread examples have been few. Haley's spokesman did not respond to a Patch request for comment on Jackson's statements.
"I think it’s so clear that it’s a political move," said former S.C. Gov. Dick Riley, a Democrat, speaking on Monday. "Anybody that’s fair-minded about that would say it’s definitely a political move."
Jackson suggests more than 1 million voters could be turned away from the polls or so confused by the new laws that they stay home. It's a fear echoed by South Carolina Democrats.
"I've had constituents who tell me that it's too hard to vote," said State Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter, D-Orangeburg "They now think it's not worth the trouble. So they won't vote and the Republicans have accomplished their mission."
Democrats will begin their national convention on Tuesday in Charlotte. President Obama will accept the nomination on Thursday.
maizenbluedoc
7:53 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Can Jesse and anyone familiar with Chicago politics say that voter fraud has never been prevalent there? I don't think so. I believe the governor offered rides to anyone who did not have transportation to the DMV for a free voter ID card. I recall 64 people accepted. The only people who will believe Jesse are those too ignorant to research the facts. Democrats want minorities and poor people to be indebted to them so they will vote straight ticket for Democrats (doesn't require a thought process). So, Cobb-Hunter, Democrats are the only people affected (only Democrats are poor). Get a life.
reg
9:16 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
I recall the governor's office first telling people who called for the ride that there was no such thing. And then later backpedaling to make an excuse ... and then saying they could only do it for particular parts of Columbia at particular times.
Art
1:04 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
You make a blanket statement that only Democrats are poor. I invite you to some small rural towns in east and west Texas; some parts of north Texas. There you will see the most entrenched Conservative/Republicans who are on food stamps and by national standards, are basically poor. I imagine that the rest of the country also has these pockets of poor Republicans. So don't give me this baloney about Democrats wanting minorities and poor people indebted to them so they will vote straight ticket Democrat.
linda mcpherson
8:17 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
IT IS OF THE AGE- I.D REQUIRED.
OUR NIKI HAS GUTS AND COURAGE- UNDERSTANDING WHY THIS- IS NECESSARY.
EXAMPLE: OLD MRS POLK NEEDED HER MEDICINE- MORPHINE.
MRS. X KNEW SHE HAD ACCESS TO IT, SO, SHE PLANNED A SCHEME- TO GET MRS POLK'S -MORPHINE.
AND SHE GOT IT...NO PICTURE ID WAS REQUIRED.
MRS POLK- NEEDED TO HAVE HAD A PICTURE I.D. THAT WAS 'PROTECTED FROM FRAUD'.
SHE SUFFERED- AS SOMEONE ELSE SIMPLY GOT HIGH OFF OF HER- MED!~
Art
8:13 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
And I suppose you (obviously Republican), never vote straight ticket Republican? I find it hard to believe that you would vote for the best qualified person (a Democrat).
maizenbluedoc
8:41 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
I have and will vote for a Democrat, Republican, or Independent if I feel that person is the best qualified. You don't know what my political affiliation is, and yes, I do not vote a straight ticket on most occasions. In fact I detest the idea that a political party is synonymous to a sports team and your team must win, damned be the American people. Straight ticket voting should be removed from the voting arena.
linda mcpherson
8:19 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
AMEN!
LET US CHOOSE FROM ALL POINTS- WHO IS GOOD ENOUGH TO REEPRESENT THE PEOPLE!
Sammy
8:50 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
You have to have an ID to drive a car legally. Is there anyone who is saying that should change? I have not heard of them if they are. You have to have an ID to buy alcohol or tobacco. Is there a huge fuss over that? Again I have not heard about it.
There is no reason every single person in this state cannot have a valid state issued ID, the ID cards are free and I am sure that anyone who does not have a car can call a church or the naacp or some other group and they will be happy to take you to get one. I have had to show mine to vote a couple of times because I could not find my voter registration card before I went to the polls and unless you have it, or a picture ID, you don't get to vote at all. If you are so worried about it, go around your neighborhood and ask all the elderly people there if they have an ID so they can vote and if they don't, take them to get one. Spread the word, go out and tell people about the new laws, make sure they know. If you are really so interested in them getting to vote, quit complaining and get out there and do something about it!
maizenbluedoc
8:55 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Thanks Sammy. I guess that wouldn't allow people like Jesse, et. al. to use their race card mentality. BTW, I have been using my ID (military) since 1957.
reg
9:31 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Yes, there is reason why every single person in this state cannot have a state-issued ID - over a quarter-million (who already showed an ID to first register) don't have one currently, after all. And once anyone turns 65, as long as they're not driving, they don't need to renew a drivers license - it's considered legal ID and must be accepted by banks and courtrooms; but under the proposed law, those seniors would lose their right to vote. And don't forget that ID was needed to begin with - voter registration card, student ID; an ID had to have your name and address to match with voter sheets, or had to have your name and photo. Why, then, this sudden need to change that? The GOP in every state has been trying this - and even publicly admitted they were doing to restrict voters (see the video of the election comissioner of Penn?). Those ID cards aren't "free" either - if you kept an eye on what the state was doing, they were denying IDs to seniors (even renewed ones to folks who already had them), claiming they must have state-issued birth certificate (which rural counties in the state didn't issue until early 1960s), demanding school records (then denying ID because a school was torn down long ago), claiming married women couldn't get one because their birth certificates showed maiden name, not married ... this was a farce. And was proven a farce in state house when AG and DMV couldn't verify any of its claims.
JoSCh
11:01 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
But reg those id's are slightly easier to forge, and voter sheets are potentially monitored by colluding Democrats! What we really need are chip implants and scan-able tattoos. And work camps.
van crause
9:03 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Uncle Tom comes alive again, what a sell out.
GunnyHighway
11:06 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Voting is a right, granted by the constitution of the United States. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and is restricted by State law to individuals over the age of 16 who have demonstrated their knowledge of traffic laws and their ability to drive. Alcohol sales are restricted, by State law, to individuals over the age of 21. States do not have the authority to restrict our Constitutional Rights. I realize that this fact is not popular in this state, where a war was started over "State's rights" to regulate the ownership and exploitation of human beings. A Voter Restriction law would just another example of SC's long and well documented history of oppressing its Black citizens. If a few poor or disabled White people are also prevented from voting, well those are acceptable collateral damage.
The claim that "There is no reason every single person in this state cannot have a valid state issued ID" is an invalid argument. There are plenty of reasons, and the fact that you are not aware of them does not prove otherwise. It only proves your naïveté or ignorance.
Identification is required when a person registers to vote. Why should that person be required to provide additional identification to exercise that Right? Instead of proclaiming that "everyone can get an ID", why don't the proponents of Voter Restriction laws explain to us exactly why they are necessary? Just more government regulation from the party that claims to be against more regulation.
stanley seigler
1:01 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@GunnyHighway
spot on as i believe they say...thanks
Sammy
6:15 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
In South Carolina, you do not have to show a picture ID to register to vote. You can register online or by email. If you do register in person, you do not have to show a picture ID, you can prove who you are by showing a utility bill or other piece of mail with your name on it. This is copied from the online application "ID Required: If you are registering for the first time in this county, you must attach a copy of a current valid photo ID OR(my caps) a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address in this county. If you do not provide this identification now, you will be required to provide this information when you vote. Voters who are age 65 and over, voters with disabilities, members of the U.S. Uniformed Services or Merchant Marines and their families, and U.S. Citizens residing outside the U.S. are exempt from this requirement." As I said, you do not have to have a picture ID to register.
What reasons are there for anyone who wants one NOT to have an ID card? Come on give me one single reason! If a person can go to the polls to vote, they can go to the DMV and get an ID card!
Every vote counts and even one vote can make the difference between a person winning or losing an election. One fraudulent vote is too many.
reg
9:34 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
sammy, you're quoting the current form. What the state tried to do was make it that so only a state-issued photo ID could be used - the exemptions would be removed.
Sami
12:10 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Why are rights always one-sided? Voting is a right, yes so in turn, why can't the state/county/government have the right to ask for I.D.? You show I.D. for writing a check, obtaining your food stamps, when your pulled over driving, or even to go to a concert or a ball game. What am I missing here?
reg
12:48 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
sammy - the instances you cite pertain to PRIVILEGES, not rights. And involve other entities (i.e., companies) having their own liabilities.
JoSCh
11:13 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Well said Gunny.
@ Sami, "Why are rights always one-sided? Voting is a right, yes so in turn, why can't the state/county/government have the right to ask for I.D.?"
Because for liberal Americans the government exists to serve the people, we don't exist to serve the government. The government has no rights except the rights delegated to it by the citizens for a specific purpose. We have not given them the right to demand our papers in order to exercise our constitutional rights yet, although the regressives are trying to change that.
stanley seigler
12:53 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@maizenbluedoc...etal
round and round the voterID bush we go...asked each time around and NEVER answered:
1. does anyone have any instances of voter fraud at the ballot box
2. can anyone explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box
3. can anyone explain why voterID was not considered prior to the election of BO
4. can anyone explain why SC (and other state) opposed the 2005 Real ID act...actually refused to implement it...implementation would have provided all with voterIDs...
the current voter ID laws are a return to jim crow laws...pure and simple...
if anyone can provide an answer to any one of the above questions; i will profusely apologize and advocate for passage of voterID laws...
Sammy
7:09 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
"2. can anyone explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box"
If a person is dead, or incapacitated such as in the hospital of in such poor health, they can't go to the polls, another person of similar age can take their voter registration card to the polling place and vote for them. WITHOUT using an ID. This is voter fraud, and it could happen and has happened. I personally cannot give you an exact number of times this has happened, but it has happened.
As for the REAL ID ACT, would you or any citizen of this country want the federal government in charge of your ID? The Federal Drivers License would have had an RF chip in it and the government, shades of big brother, would be able to track you wherever you went. Would you want that to happen? That would be the first step in a very real threat of the government taking over every facet of our private lives. It would make what the TSA is doing in our airports pale in comparison. Think nazi Germany or Communist Russia.
I await your apology.
reg
9:41 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
UNtrue, sammy - voter records are (supposed to be) purged of dead voters; voter sheets at the polls also contain DOB, so if a 50 year old shows claiming to be a 90 year old, well .... ain't gonna happen. And never has, either. *Not one person making this argument can provide any evidence.* It's pretty hypothetical, actually, that some of the people promoting voter ID because of what they claim is a hypothetical case are *also* against registration for weapons and registration for concealed weapons and against any restrictions on assault weapons. So, a vote is dangerous, but a kook with a assault rifle under his jacket is okay? hypocrisy
geterdone
7:05 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Voter ID= If you can not prove who you are, you have no right to vote. Another "racist" attempt by the liberals to secure any vote they can get. By the way Jesse, did your son have to show his ID before checking into the Hospital?????
reg
9:43 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
apples to oranges, gatordawn. You show ID in the hospital so Drs. can get accurate medical records .... the only reason GOP pushing voter ID is to make sure we get INACCURATE election results
nighthawk
9:10 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
there is no problem about voter ID if the state law is followed. this law states that all residents residing in the state of S.C. must have a state issued drivers licensing or pictured ID card. case closed.
reg
9:57 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
which state law says that all residents have to have a state issued/picture ID card? Completely untrue - no such law.
Sami
12:20 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
When I registered in SC to vote I had to show a photo I. D. ~ I did not have a driver's license so I had to get 'something' with my picture on it. Same went when I signed up for SCE&G electric. They wanted everything but my 1st born ~ which is why you can use your electric bill as proof BECAUSE all the checking and photo I.D. was checked by SCE&G....sneaky way of doing it ` yes? That way no one can claim the race/sexist/political, etc card.
reg
12:52 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
sammy, if you show it to register the first time, then why do you have to keep showing it again and again and again? All those other instances you list - elec bill, etc. - are what the GOP in this state is trying to take away. Even other formats of photo ID, like student IDs, for example (and about 20% of SC residents under 21 do NOT have a drivers license).
Greymom
9:38 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
I would be shocked if JJ Jr had to show any identification anywhere.
I think having to show ID if a great idea and should have had to do it years ago..
I am suspect of ANYTHING JJ is into. He is a racist.
reg
12:42 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
thank you for misdirecting the topic, graymom. Now let's get back to the topic of the GOP trying to take away the right to vote
Robert Kelly
9:33 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
South Carolina for a long period of time committed too many egregious acts of discrimination, preventing certain citizens from exercising their right to vote. As a result, instead of throwing the government officials and elected representatives in jail, the state government was effectively put on probation. The terms of the probation require that any changes in voting laws must be approved by the DOJ (probation officer?). They committed the crime, now they are doing the time.
Why, in the face of no documented voter fraud, is the state spending so much time, energy, and money, trying to implement this change? I think it is the dishonesty that rankles most of us more than the actual impact. They are doing it for one reason, and one reason only; to reduce the number of poor, elderly, unhealthy, and disabled people going to the polls. They just don't want to come right out and say it. Too bad. Past sins have are still requiring the DOJ approval. Don't SC republicans believe in paying for your crimes?
stanley seigler
12:59 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@Sammy and all voterID law advocates
re If a person is dead: see reg's points, it is the election officials' job to purge voter registration rolls...voterID will not purge rolls.
re [if] incapacitated...WITHOUT using an ID: thanks for pointing this out...it emphasizes the utter ridiculousness of the voterID law...
so if one wants to commit voter fraud they go hospitals and ask all the patients for their voter registration and social security number...really...and you know this has
happened, HOW?...
but you can't site one instance...come on now...how far can you reach...how silly can you get...oh/and guess they could go door to door and ask residents if they are going to vote and if not give me your social security number...
and you believe in the tooth fairy and know that pigs fly...
re As for the REAL ID ACT... Think nazi Germany:
think current data bases...all the data required for the REAL ID is basically what's required for voter registration and is in SC data base already which feds can access...with reasonable cause.
re I await your apology:
i apologize. more importantly i sincerely appreciate your reemphasizing the stupidity of the voterID laws...sooo
as repeated ad nauseum: the only reason left for voterID laws, as all know, is the suppression of BO/DEM voters...and for legislators (legs) to secure campaign funding (30 pieces of silver) from kockbro-ilk.
again THANKSmuch...for pointing out to ALL the stupidity of voterID laws
Art
2:57 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@Stanley Siegler, you present the best arguments of any here. You are obviously an articulate person and have done your homework. Known cases of voter fraud are so few and far between (almost negligible). And why is it that only the Republican/Conservatives are so adamant about getting this law passed all of a sudden?
stanley seigler
5:47 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
PS
@John Schafer
thanks for helping sammy point out how so very unnecessary voterID laws are...ie;
re: 'attach a copy of a current valid photo ID OR(my caps) a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address in this county.
tho not necessary would be simpler to remove 'OR' (my caps) from registration instructions/requirements...
re: '...look it up for yourself.'
all (especially the legislators) should have looked it up many moons ago...it show voterID is bs.
so much bs and reasonably intelligent people advocate for the dum-a law...as mentioned i use to wonder how hitler could con the german people...from what i've seen recently (eg, voterID law)...it was a piece of cake for adolph...
GunnyHighway
9:37 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@stanley... re: from what i've seen recently (eg, voterID law)...it was a piece of cake for adolph...
Well said, sir.
Sami
1:52 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
NOTE
Sami
1:56 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
OOPS! : )
NOTE: SAMI AND SAMMY ARE 2-DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
@reg - thx for your answer. I understand that and yes it makes sense but I have to show my I.D. over and over again whether its a right or privileged in so many activities now a days. I am still confused on why it is a problem to then show ID to vote?
stanley seigler
6:08 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@Sami ...'I am still confused on why it is a problem to then show ID to vote?'
you shouldn't be confused...perhaps it would 'un-confuse' if you (and others) would answer above questions repeated here:
1. does anyone have any instances of voter fraud at the ballot box
2. can anyone explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box
3. can anyone explain why voterID was not considered prior to the election of BO
4. can anyone explain why SC (and other state) opposed the 2005 Real ID act...actually refused to implement it...implementation would have provided all with voterIDs.
the problem is: the intent of the voterID is to suppress BO/Dem voters and has absolutely NOTHING to do preventing non existing voter fraud at the ballot box...
Sami
7:23 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Thx Mr Seigler for your reply. I am new to politics and I am having a hard time figuring out where I belong. Everything you say to my response makes sense except for the 'starting with BO". I can remember when I lived in Ga. & Pa. that they had been trying to pass voter ID along time ago. My own view point on this issue and mine alone is LOL!! I still do not get what the harm is in showing ID to vote. I had to show photo ID to check into a hotel last week. It is my right to stay anywhere I choose (don't feel it's a privilege) and they have the right to secure their hotel/their booking by asking for ID. Oh well ~ guess I might be an Independent. :)
stanley seigler
9:38 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@Sami
re: '...guess I might be an Independent.'
good idea...dont buy party line, talking point, sound bites...googling is so easy...but you know this...be independent in every sense of the word...
Sami
7:42 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
@stanley seigler
I had been listening to CNN then hear the same story on FOX ~ Then I fact check when and if there is a discrepancy. Yes, I am thinking after reading some of these post's and how angry and vile people get I will remain neutral. Thank you.
Deborah Spencer
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
You have to show an ID to enter the DNC!!! Why would you need to do that??? Racists????
reg
11:32 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Because those attending the DNC were elected to those limited seats. And there are thousands who would love to attend fraudulently, too - in Denver in '08, folks were approaching delegates as if they were scalpers, offering big money for their delegate passes.
Sammy
3:37 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
"South Carolina's suit against the Department of Justice over the state's new voter ID law comes amid a big to-do in the state over whether hundreds of "dead" voters cast ballots in past elections.
The State Election Commission is doing a name by name review, and a spokesman told NPR this week that, after looking through about a quarter of the names, they have yet to find any evidence that "something funny is going on." The results of this initial review — which involves the 2010 elections — are expected to be released later this week or next week.
The alarms about possible voter fraud came from the state's Department of Motor Vehicles, which was trying to determine how many registered voters didn't have photo ID. In the process, the DMV found what it said was evidence that some 37,000 deceased individuals were on the state's voter registration list, and that of those, some 953 had ballots casts in their names.
The head of the department, Kevin Schwedo, said that was "probable cause" to believe a crime had been committed. So he turned the information over to state Attorney General Alan Wilson, who alerted the Justice Department that it appeared that "over 900 persons who were deceased at the time of the elections" had voted."
They have only looked at 1/4 of the names let them complete the whole thing before you say there is not one single instance of fraud.
stanley seigler
6:40 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@Sammy
any reference (eg, NPR program ID date) to sustain your posted statements/opine...
re: '..."dead" voters cast ballots in past elections...'
this is an election official issue and would not have been corrected by voterID laws...as pointed out numerous times: dead folks should have been purged from the voter registration rolls...oh/and;
how did these un-dead folks get the social security's numbers of the really dead folks...did election officials even ask to see the SS number...tho bet there were no significant number (if any) of un-dead voting under a really-dead folk's name...wanta bet $10,000
'doing a name by names'...havent they done this and found NO, i say NO, voter fraud...
re: it [DMV] said was evidence that some 37,000 deceased individuals were on the state's voter registration list...
election official heads should roll...a p-poor job...and nothing to do with voter fraud at the ballot box...if DMV found this, why didn't elections officials find it...
more thanks sammy...you continue to show the complete waste of time voterID laws cause...
stanley seigler
6:59 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
ignore 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...aaaa
not sure what happened
Hobby
4:15 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
So this race-baiter is "astonished" that a Governor would actually support a requirement to prove that a voter is who they say they are? How about the ACORN scandal to prove just one example that voter fraud does exist, along with needing to purge the lists of deceased people, illegal aliens, felons, etc. And by the way, where is Jesse in North Charleston, along with the NAACP, with all the killings and violence there? The hypocrisy continues...
reg
5:47 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
oh, puhLEEZE - give us an example of this "ACORN scandal" - GOP was after ACORN because it was registering minority voters (who don't vote GOP). THe only thing ACORN got trouble for was paying its voter reg workers based on productivity instead of by the hour or a flat fee. In doing that, some of the workers made up a few forms to get more $$; once any voter reg gets turned in to a collector, though - it is illegal to refuse them. ACORN legally had to take it and then submit it to a govt office. Your attempt to misconstrue this - as if ACORN did anything illegal - is a joke.
stanley seigler
11:10 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
@Hobby
that you are short on facts aside for now...
how do you believe voterID laws will prevent the type fraud you believe exist (eg, the ACORN scandal) ...and same questions as the above repeating:
1. does anyone [eg, hobby] have any instances of voter fraud at the ballot box
2. can anyone [eg, hobby] explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box
3. can anyone [eg, hobby] explain why voterID was not considered prior to the election of BO
4. can anyone [eg, hobby] explain why SC (and other state) opposed the 2005 Real ID act...actually refused to implement it...implementation would have provided all with voterIDs.
FYI
[CLIP] This week the Brooklyn D.A.’s office concluded a four-month investigation into the controversial ACORN sting videos produced last fall and found no criminality carried out by the organization. On the contrary, it found that the people behind the tapes, James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles, edited them heavily to “meet their agenda.” [end clip]
http://coloradoindependent.com/48555/the-acorn-scandal-then-and-now
and to my knowledge, there was no fraud at the ballot box that a voterID would prevent...evidence to the contrary welcome...
GunnyHighway
6:56 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Does anyone really think that 34 states decided independently to enact voter restriction laws in 2011? This issue is a coordinated effort by the people who control the Republican party (think Koch brothers, et al.) to solidify their control of OUR government. They know that with a Republican President and a Republican controlled Congress they can submit, through their stooges in Congress, legislation that will favor their business interests at the expense of the American people. Laws that will repeal regulations requiring them to actually bear the cost of the environmental damage they cause, laws that will eliminate protections for working Americans against exploitation, and laws that will preserve their wealth by shifting the tax burden to the middle class and the poor. That's what the so-called "Voter ID" laws are all about. It has nothing to do with voter fraud.
If there are problems with the system, such as the rolls not being purged of deceased voters or polling officials not properly recording who voted or voting machine errors (all documented problems in recent SC elections), the burden of resolving those problems rests on the State, not the individual voter!
@Sammy, when you want to enact a law that will make it more difficult for a person to exercise their Constitutional Rights, you need a better reason than "Well, why not?". I urge you to look beyond the Bill O'Reilly rhetoric and see what's really going on in our country.
linda mcpherson
8:26 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
TRY TO CHEAT ON JUDGEMENT DAY.
LIES WILL GET YOU FURTHER INTO..WHERE YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE.
IT IS MORE SIMPLE- TO SIMPLY DO WHAT IS RIGHT, THEN YOU DO NOTR HAVE TO SWEAT- JUDGEMENT DAY.
IF YOU CAUSE THE FALL OF THE LESS INTELLIGENT, BY USING THEM- YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PRICE TO PAY WILL BE.
NOW WHO WANTS TO GO THERE, TRULY!
ALL OF YOU SERVING THE PEOPLE- THE PARTY MATTERS- NOT.
YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES- WRONG- OR RIGHT.
GOD RULES ON JUDGEMENT DAY..WHO WANTS TO FACE HIS WRATH?
MAN HAS NO IDEA...OF WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF.
WHO WANTS TO GAMBLE WITH THAT?
I WILL TAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
JoSCh
11:16 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Flagging you as inappropriate because you're a moron.
Greymom
12:22 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
I don't understand what being poor has to do with obtaining a ID.. Poor people have no problem getting to the welfare offices, grocery stores with the food stamps, the hair salons,nail places, etc etc etc.. If you can't get a ID maybe its because you are here illegally.. ???
reg
12:46 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
and thank you again for misdirecting the topic....to return it to one I introduced, you need to show an ID the first time you register. If you are not actually driving, though, there is no legal need to renew - courts/police/banks have to legally accept it (and that's all types of ID that are currently needed for presentation on voting days). So WHY, then, does the GOP suddenly have this need to create some new requirement that affects seniors, poor, disabled and minorities? And if ID is so important, then WHY did the GOP in our state try to pass law that would take away requirement to show ID when buying a weapon? ...HYPOCRISY
stanley seigler
1:01 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
@Greymom
tho it is difficult for many to obtain voterID...the ease or difficulty in obtaining voterID begs the question which is:: why is voterID necessary...
repeating:
1. does anyone [eg, Greymom] have any instances of voter fraud at the ballot box
2. can anyone [eg, Greymom] explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box
3. can anyone [eg, Greymom] explain why voterID was not considered prior to the election of BO
4. can anyone [eg, Greymom] explain why SC (and other state) opposed the 2005 Real ID act...actually refused to implement it...implementation would have provided all with voterIDs.
JoSCh
11:27 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
C'mon Greymom, embrace it!
Just say it. We'll all feel better.
Robert Cornelius
4:20 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Numerous examples of Voter fraud by ACORN http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
stanley seigler
7:19 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
@Robert Cornelius
assuming the 'numerous examples' were convicted of registration fraud (covered by existing laws)...voterID laws do nothing to prevent the registration fraud cited...
of all the 'numerous examples' given by Robert Cornelius and others: NONE are examples of voter fraud at the ballot box...which is the issue voterID laws address...
soo the question is still are voterID laws necessary. repeating:
1. does anyone [eg, Robert Cornelius] have any instances of voter fraud at the ballot box
2. can anyone [eg, Robert Cornelius] explain how it is possible under existing laws to committee voter fraud at the ballot box
3. can anyone [eg, Robert Cornelius] explain why voterID was not considered prior to the election of BO
4. can anyone [eg, Robert Cornelius] explain why SC (and other states) opposed the 2005 Real ID act...actually refused to implement it...implementation would have provided all with voterIDs.
to the registration issue in the 'numerous examples' there were no convictions to my knowledge...eg,
[CLIP] This week the Brooklyn D.A.’s office found no criminality carried out by ACORN. On the contrary, it found that the people behind the tapes, James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles, edited them heavily to “meet their agenda.” [end clip]
http://coloradoindependent.com/48555/the-acorn-scandal-then-and-now
examples of 'convictions' appreciated...
RC-etal mix apples (voter fraud) with oranges (registration fraud)...ie, begs the real question/issue.
stanley seigler
8:12 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
PS
re: examples of 'convictions' appreciated
found an example:
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-22/politics/voter.fraud_1_voter-registration-acorn-workers-number-of-swing-states?_s=PM:POLITICS
[CLIP] Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed...Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud. [end clip]
this example emphasizes the fact that the majority of voter fraud cited is registration fraud...NOT individual voter fraud at the ballot box which is the ONLY issue addressed by the kochbro-ilk voterID laws.